Wow after considering the options of how to get a hold of modeling programs that I could finally feel good about using, I have to say that Blender is a pretty darn good package it does a lot of things the big boys do also it is free.
Here is the completed male model completed i might do more tweaking and actually try to lower this poly-count, but for a first time and the help of some awesome tuts on working with the interface and learning the hotkeys this is an OK model.
From what I have gathered FA=faces which currently for this model is a a scant 174 but follows the typography of the reference image pretty well.
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